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Back tax asked on cigarette
Tacoma News Tribune ^ | Mar 29, 2004 | LES BLUMENTHAL

Posted on 03/29/2004 4:26:06 PM PST by microgood

WASHINGTON - Up to 40,000 Washington residents should soon be receiving letters from the state asking them to pay back taxes on millions of dollars worth of cigarettes they bought through a Web site.

A settlement of a lawsuit filed by Washington state against online cigarette seller www.Dirtcheapcig. com Inc. of Missouri paved the way for the letters, which will be sent by the state Department of Revenue.

The settlement, signed Dec. 1 by U.S. District Judge Robert Lasnick in Tacoma, was little-noticed outside legal circles. But it's drawn quite a bit of attention from other cash-strapped states, which see it as helping to clear the way for them to start collecting more than $1 billion annually in taxes from Internet cigarette sales.

Lasnick's order asserted, for the first time, that Internet tobacco sales are taxable because they're covered by a federal law known as the Jenkins Act. It requires companies that engage in interstate cigarette sales to provide information on their customers to state tax administrators.

The U.S. Justice Department, the FBI and U.S. attorneys around the country have generally declined to apply the act to Internet tobacco sales.

With little regulation, hundreds of Web sites are expected to peddle more than $5 billion in tobacco products in 2005, avoiding state taxes that can top $2 a pack.

The issue has caught the attention of Congress, where two bills are pending, and has sent financial jitters through the convenience store industry. Cigarettes account for one-third of all sales at the nation's 130,000 convenience stores, and store owners fear smokers are increasingly turning to the Internet to buy their cigarettes.

Also looming is the sensitive question of tobacco sales by Web sites operated by members of Indian tribes. By some estimates, such Web sites account for more than 60 percent of Internet tobacco sales.

Reservation smoke shops have long been a sore point between tribes and the states, and Internet cigarette sales could further increase the tension.

The settlement approved by Lasnick required Dirtcheapcig.com to provide information on its sales to customers in Washington dating back to Jan. 1, 2001, and on future sales to state residents. And it reinforced the rights of the states to pursue civil lawsuits against Web sites that violate the Jenkins Act.

So far, Dirtcheapcig.com has supplied Washington state with the names and addresses of between 35,000 and 40,000 residents who bought cigarettes over the past three years, as well as details on how many packs and what brands were purchased.

State officials estimate the outstanding taxes at about $4 million.

"The numbers surprised us," said Scott Thronson, a program manager for the state Department of Revenue.

Those who purchased cigarettes from the Web site will be asked to voluntarily pay back taxes, Thronson said. Those who don't will face a 5 percent penalty, assessed interest on the outstanding balance and a penalty of $10 for each pack with a $200 minimum.

"It can get pricey real quick," Thronson said. "We are going to give everyone a chance to pay (voluntarily), at least initially."

Dirtcheapcig.com was singled out because it had advertised heavily in Washington state, Thronson said. The state is exploring the possibility of filing additional lawsuits against operators of other cigarette Web sites.

Washington state's $1.425-per-pack cigarette tax is the sixth-highest in the nation.

The National Association of Convenience Stores estimated Washington state will lose almost $184 million in revenue in fiscal 2005 because of Internet cigarette sales.

Thronson said that estimate sounded high, but he conceded millions of dollars are at stake.

The Justice Department and the FBI have primary responsibility for enforcing the Jenkins Act, violations of which are misdemeanors punishable by $1,000 fines and prison sentences of up to six months.

Congressional investigators said the Justice Department and FBI indicated they had neither the time nor the money to pursue misdemeanor cases.

Washington was among the states that had asked the local U.S. attorney to pursue a Jenkins Act case against Internet tobacco sellers. But the federal agencies suggested the state pursue a civil lawsuit.

"The feds basically said they wouldn't do it and we should do it ourselves," said Thronson.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms might become involved.

"We are working some Internet cases," said Jerry Bowerman, chief of the ATF's Diversion Branch, which investigates tobacco and alcohol cases.

Bowerman said he couldn't discuss ongoing cases, but he added there were roughly 500 Web sites both domestically and internationally selling tobacco products, and there were concerns some of them might be linked to organized crime or terrorist organizations.

"It's a top priority for us," Bowerman said.

Competition from Internet tobacco sales are also a top priority for the nation's convenience stores, which employ more than 1.5 million people.

According to the National Association of Convenience Stores, the loss of just 80 customers a year buying cigarettes can make an average-profit convenience store unprofitable.

"Our guys can't compete," said Allison Schulman, the association's director of government affairs. Based on conservative estimates, 2 percent of all cigarettes purchased in 2003, or about 413.9 million packs, were sold over the Internet, she said.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: extortion; hypocracy; pufflist; smoking; taxes; wastateofevil
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Apparently we are the personal property of the state we live in. Kind of like slavery.
1 posted on 03/29/2004 4:26:06 PM PST by microgood
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To: microgood
Gee, didn't know you could buy cigs on a website. That's probably a good thing after reading this article.
2 posted on 03/29/2004 4:27:46 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: microgood
Thats a great racket they have got going and it's a "Create work" program, we pay taxes so that they can spend that money on government employees working to collect more tax money for the local government, then the government employees spend that money and more taxes are collected...and around and around it goes....

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3 posted on 03/29/2004 4:28:54 PM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz
Thought this might interest you!
4 posted on 03/29/2004 4:33:45 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: microgood
MA already has UPS & FedEx ratting out their customers.
5 posted on 03/29/2004 4:41:26 PM PST by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: microgood
So far, Dirtcheapcig.com has supplied Washington state with the names and addresses of between 35,000 and 40,000 residents who bought cigarettes over the past three years, as well as details on how many packs and what brands were purchased.

LOL... rated out their own clients...

State officials estimate the outstanding taxes at about $4 million.

Deadbeats.

6 posted on 03/29/2004 4:42:05 PM PST by Drango (2 FReep is 2B --- 2B is 2 FReep)
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To: LisaMalia; SheLion
This is pitiful!

She, can you post the injector machine pics as you ping your list???
7 posted on 03/29/2004 4:47:24 PM PST by netmilsmom (Hugs to Conspiracy Guy & Laura Earl on their marriage-3/27/03)
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To: LisaMalia; *puff_list
$$$PUFF$$$

FMCDH

8 posted on 03/29/2004 4:58:16 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: microgood
Thronson said that estimate sounded high, but he conceded millions of dollars are at stake.

Millions of dollars are at stake - in your wallet. One of these days, maybe, these fat cat government leeches will understand it is our money and not theirs.......I hope I live that long.

9 posted on 03/29/2004 5:15:06 PM PST by Gabz (The tobacco industry doesn't pay cigarette taxes - smokers do!)
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To: LisaMalia; SheLion; netmilsmom
Thanks for the heads-up LM!!!!!!!!!


As SheLion is famous for saying - we're Americans, we seek every way we can to save a buck (paraphrase).

The government is NOT entitled to our money, no matter what they say - it is OUR money.
10 posted on 03/29/2004 5:18:08 PM PST by Gabz (The tobacco industry doesn't pay cigarette taxes - smokers do!)
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To: Gabz
Grrrrr... this is just so wrong. Filthy little thieves.

11 posted on 03/29/2004 5:33:47 PM PST by Ramius (As it turns out... taxation *with* representation ain't all that great either.)
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To: netmilsmom; *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Madame Dufarge; MeeknMing; steve50; ...
She, can you post the injector machine pics as you ping your list???

You bet! I do buy the Supermatic Machine off of the net, but I go to my Smoke Shop for the bags of tobacco and the filtered tubes.


and

Smokers United

12 posted on 03/29/2004 5:43:21 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: microgood
which see it as helping to clear the way for them to start collecting more than $1 billion annually in taxes from Internet cigarette sales.

Oh sure! Make the smokers carry the weight of the state burden again! How DO they sleep at night!

13 posted on 03/29/2004 5:44:54 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: microgood
I figure when I buy from out-of-state and they don't ask for the Maine Taxes, that's their worry!

I still say the government better start with all the online auctions first. Picking on smokers at every turn is getting a bit old!

14 posted on 03/29/2004 5:46:54 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
Thats a great racket they have got going and it's a "Create work" program, we pay taxes so that they can spend that money on government employees working to collect more tax money for the local government, then the government employees spend that money and more taxes are collected...and around and around it goes

LOL. The sad part is it will probably cost them more to collect the money than they will get. Thinks about tracking down all these people, proving they got the notice, etc...
15 posted on 03/29/2004 5:49:04 PM PST by microgood
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To: Gabz
Millions of dollars are at stake - in your wallet. One of these days, maybe, these fat cat government leeches will understand it is our money and not theirs.......I hope I live that long.

It's the American way to shop cheap. And when the states rape the people who choose to smoke a legal commodity, then the state deserves to loose every bit of tax money that the smokers no longer pay into their stupid coffers.

16 posted on 03/29/2004 5:49:27 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: SheLion
You bet! I do buy the Supermatic Machine off of the net, but I go to my Smoke Shop for the bags of tobacco and the filtered tubes.

I am bookmarking this. I just quit smoking 6 months ago but if I ever start again, I will get one of these.
17 posted on 03/29/2004 5:50:28 PM PST by microgood
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To: agitator
MA already has UPS & FedEx ratting out their customers.

Sounds kinda like what my IP did to me with the RIAA. Damn, I've become a rebel in my "old" age...LOL

18 posted on 03/29/2004 5:55:30 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: microgood
I am bookmarking this. I just quit smoking 6 months ago but if I ever start again, I will get one of these.

Over three years ago, people here in Free Republic told me about rolling my own and how much money I could save.

When the state of Maine raised my premiums to $45-$50 dollars a carton I said THAT'S IT!

So, I ordered that machine, went downtown, and bought the tobacco and the tubes. I have been rolling my own now for going on three years. I can roll a beautiful carton for under $8 dollars, and I am NOT paying into the state coffers anymore. They screwed ME for the last time!

19 posted on 03/29/2004 5:56:00 PM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: LisaMalia
What? You don't get those emails?/sarcasm
20 posted on 03/29/2004 5:56:20 PM PST by annyokie (There are two sides to every argument, but I'm too busy to listen to yours.)
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